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2005/11/27

Allawi Says Iraq Worse Off

@ 07:06 PM (33 months, 7 days ago)

Ayad Allawi, the first Prime Minister of Iraq in the post-Sadaam era, says that human rights abuses in Iraq are as bad as they were under Sadaam Hussein, and may even surpass Sadaam's record.

He told The Observer: "People are doing the same as [in] Saddam's time and worse. It is an appropriate comparison. People are remembering the days of Saddam. These were the precise reasons that we fought Saddam and now we are seeing the same things."

He also goes on to say that Iraq is also seeing the implementation of Islamic Sharia law: "We are hearing about secret police, secret bunkers where people are being interrogated.  A lot of Iraqis are being tortured or killed in the course of interrogations. We are even witnessing Sharia courts based on Islamic law that are trying people and executing them."

Well, Cindy Sheehan finally has her answer.  She has been asking a very valid, poignant question of George W. Bush: 'for what noble cause did my son die?'

And based on the comments of Ayad Allawi, it appears that sadly, Cindy Sheehan's son died for the creation of an Islamic theocracy.

Of course, those of us in the reality-based community already knew this; but Allaw's comments are another confirmation of it.

Abuse worse than under Saddam, says Iraqi leader

Comment(s) »

  1. You are onto something there....Things were way better in the middle east before the Bush family went there.

    Comment by Bush is starting to get under my skin— 2005/11/27 @ 09:26 PM — (Reply)

  2. Please tell me again about how good it was in the Good Old days of Saddam.. I just love hearing it and it goes so well with my collection of lovable photos

    http://www.massgraves.info/halapja/

    http://massgraves.info/

    The people want to know just how much you miss it.

    Comment by Rage— 2005/11/28 @ 04:52 AM — (Reply)

  3. To Rage:

    No one is saying that Sadaam Hussein was a good person. I don't think you'll find too many people in a rush to defend him.

    But the point that Ayad Allawi was making, which I think is HUGE, is that things are worse off now, than they were under Sadaam.

    Human rights conditions and abuses have deteriorated since Sadaam left power. That is what Ayad Allawi is saying, and that is a very sad statement of the facts.

    Comment by SMillard— 2005/11/28 @ 06:34 PM — (Reply)

  4. It might be sad if it were remotely true. The reality is that an overwhelming number of actual Iraqis believe their life is better now. That is the real deal. End of story.

    Comment by Reality Strikes— 2005/11/29 @ 02:59 AM — (Reply)

  5. my friend take a note and reply to Ayad Allawi;

    That today people are now persuing occupations that they were forbidden to do before.
    People are learning now what was once forbidden to know.

    Woman are now taking their rightful place in society other than being a beating stick for their master husbands.

    Tell Ayad Allawi that children are now learning again that had never seen a school before.

    Tell Ayad Allawi that people are now being medically treated as to maybe just maybe they may have gotten a bandaid from a hospital.

    Tell Ayad Allawi that people now have choices in their lives that they didnt have before.

    Tell Ayad Allawi that the people are not forced to goto church if they dont want to.

    Tell Ayad Allawi that the people may now dissagree with the government if they wish without fear of being thrown into a wood chipper.


    Tell Ayad Allawi that no, things are not perfect but it will be if people like him would shut up and contribute.

    Comment by Rage— 2005/11/29 @ 04:59 AM — (Reply)

  6. Another big difference (e.g. the mere fact that you are reporting this) is that those found culpable are held accountable and the story gets out. It proves that things are actually better. One could hardly argue that that would have happened under Saddam.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2005/11/29 @ 07:26 AM — (Reply)

  7. You WISH the items you "report" were real. Psssss...ther're not. Making it up over and over again will never make it true.
    :roll:

    Comment by Get Real— 2005/11/29 @ 07:08 PM — (Reply)

  8. you could remind him of all the children who have been innoculated or the 3,000 schools that have been built

    Comment by elmers brother — 2005/11/29 @ 07:23 PM — (Reply)

  9. To Rage:

    I don't need to tell Ayad Allawi anything. He is living it. He is right there in Iraq.

    And he is the first Prime Minister of Iraq in the post-Sadaam era.

    And he just told the entire world that Iraq is worse off than it was during Sadaam.

    He just told you that Islamic law is happening in Iraq.

    But I do have a message for you: join me in the reality-based community.

    Comment by SMillard— 2005/11/29 @ 08:34 PM — (Reply)



  10. I don't need to tell Ayad Allawi anything. He is living it. He is right there in Iraq.


    So are our troops but you are ignoring them.

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2005/11/29 @ 09:11 PM — (Reply)

  11. Oh shit... I forgot to mention that Iraqi has a newly elected government, so that if people like him would shut up and get off their asses and contribute,

    Oh he is the newly elected government.
    Ok dont tell him... remind him.
    Thats his job.

    Happy now?

    Comment by Rage— 2005/11/30 @ 04:11 AM — (Reply)

  12. Who said this Shalana?

    Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal mistake it would be for America's bipartisan political leadership to choose this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.

    Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in Iraq? Yes we do. And it is important to make it clear to the American people that the plan has not remained stubbornly still but has changed over the years. Mistakes, some of them big, were made after Saddam was removed, and no one who supports the war should hesitate to admit that; but we have learned from those mistakes and, in characteristic American fashion, from what has worked and not worked on the ground. The administration's recent use of the banner "clear, hold and build" accurately describes the strategy as I saw it being implemented last week.

    Joe Leiberman 11/30/05

    Comment by Elmers Brother— 2005/11/30 @ 11:33 AM — (Reply)

  13. Elmer's Brother:

    You felt the need to post this from Joe Lieberman. I assume you did so, because he is a Democrat. Just because Joe Lieberman is a Democrat, doesn't mean I agree with him.

    Comment by Shalana— 2005/11/30 @ 04:00 PM — (Reply)

  14. No, never expected that.

    Comment by elmers brother— 2005/11/30 @ 04:11 PM — (Reply)

  15. YES, Soccer-ma, yes. That is what has been communicated over and over again. Glad you're getting it. George Bush is a liar, and if you can't see that after 6 years and more lies than the inflation of the national debt, you're in really sorry shape. In fact, you must be one of those 36% of Americans that think old George is such a "good christian man" that he walks on water.
    Let me ask you a question, in all seriousness: aside from launching an illegal war of agression, destroying our national reputation, eviscerating the bill of rights, allowing New Orleans to be wiped from the face of the earth and turning the county into a seething mass of partisan anger...what would w have to do to get on your bad side? Molest children? Have an affair? Endorse Brokeback Mountain?

    Comment by — 2006/03/07 @ 12:01 PM — (Reply)

  16. How fascinating - ANONYMOUS here worked up a few funny lines and got so excited he/she posted them twice and once on a blog I'd never even commented on.

    Comment by Cate— 2006/03/07 @ 01:41 PM — (Reply)

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